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			NOTE: This is an actual eGroup digest that has been modified for display on a webpage eGroup messages are delivered to your email client Member email addresses have been deleted Topics in this digest: 1a. Replacing carpet From: Steve 1b. Re: Replacing carpet From: Pat 1c. Re: Replacing carpet From: Mike 1d. Re: Replacing carpet From: Jim 2. Fwd: [discoveryownersassociation] Replacing carpet From: Jim 3a. 12V Plug Fuse Location From: Pat 3b. Re: 12V Plug Fuse Location From: Larry 3c. Re: 12V Plug Fuse Location From: Barry 4. Caution Using Open Wireless Net From: Toni Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Replacing carpet Posted by: Steve Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:55 am ((PST)) We have been shopping and studying others experiences with floor replacement materials. At least one D owner has done this and details are available on the forum. We have not made a decision, but have been warned that some of the laminates are very sensitive to moisture. Advised not to use that type in bathroom. Also some with smooth surface are slippery when damp. Some RV owners have installed laminates that are glued to the floor, although we think that is not necessary. Search on RV.net for lots of discussion. Steve Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Replacing carpet Posted by: Pat Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:11 am ((PST)) Hi, Steve -- We replaced the (very) worn out carpet and the lineoleum in our D with laminate and for us it was an excellent choice. On the advice of a friend who is an Interior Designer we stayed way away from Pergo. She found a very heavy duty laminate for us that is used in commercial kitchens and impervious to water. According to the craftsmen it was difficult to work with but they did a very good job. Ours is not glued to the floor but "floats" although the individual boards are glued together. We did not do the toilet room since they told us it would be very difficult and might entail dropping the holding tank :-( The slide could not be done so we had that recarpeted with commercial grade carpet. Additionally the area around the driver's seat and under the dash could not be done so that is also carpeted. We had one problem. In one area by the door between bath and bedroom they didn't leave enough clearance (5/8" is needed) and on the first trip the laminate cracked. Fortunately it was in an area where a piece of moulding easily concealed it so that worked out for us. Pat(rick) On the Road in the D 2000 37V Azure Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: Replacing carpet Posted by: Mike Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:47 am ((PST)) Pat, Thanks for the informative response. We are going to leave an area starting about 8-10" behind the driver/co-pilot seats to the firewall carpeted and the stair well due to the seats being bolted and the issue with the pedals. We will also leave carpet under the one couch that is bolted to the floor on the curb side, and the carpet that is on the slide on the street side. As for the bathroom, we want to put laminate there as well and will have to investigate what to do around the toilet. I was going to spit the laminate between the galley and the bathroom, and put a T- molding between them at the door way to allow movement. I had not thought through the fact that in the bathroom it will see lots of water from the shower. We were not going to use pergo, I used the term because most people know what you are saying when you use that brand name. Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 1d. Re: Replacing carpet Posted by: Joe Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:33 am ((PST)) When the time came to replace carpeting in our '99 36T, we found Bruce flooring that matched the original galley at Home Depot. It wasn't the same thickness as the original, but the finish matched perfectly. We extended the Bruce flooring from the point where the galley flooring ended, across to the booth dinette. We used Masonite as a spacer to bring the new flooring up to within 1/32 inch of the old. A little sanding on the bottom of the first new board makes the mismatch imperceptible. No one who has seen the floor has detected even where the old floor ended and the new begins. It looks like a factory installation. We also installed the Bruce flooring in the small area between the shower and the head, but left the original vinyl flooring in the head. The vinyl still looked new, and probably won't wear out in our lifetime. We recarpeted the rest of the coach with commercial grade Berber carpet from Home Depot. Kathleen and I did all the work ourselves, and it looks just beautiful. We bought an air stapler / brad nailer at Lowe's. The Bruce flooring is glued and nailed, and the carpet is stapled in all areas except on the steel floor at the driver's feet, where it must be glued. We used the techniques described in DOAI Tips for carpet replacement, and although it was a scary project for amateurs, our mistakes were easily hidden, and we are very pleased with the final result. The work was done in '05, and it still looks wonderful. Note: I saw a '99 Discovery in the 2001 Urbanna, VA rally that had Bruce flooring exclusively throughout the coach, including the entry steps, the dinette, the bathroom (including the the wire chase which was converted to a storage compartment), and the bedroom. The owners fulltimed in the unit, and had dogs, so they eliminated all of the carpeting. Our Problem: There are some light tracks from the slide room, showing up on the Bruce flooring. Our slide room was lowered by Fleetwood technicians during the '01 DOAI rally in Urbanna VA because of a complaint that the slide was slow, and didn't reach full compression of the seals when it stalled. The adjustment made little difference in performance, but now you can see by the mismatch in the exterior graphics that the slide room has been lowered. I would like to raise the slide room, but haven't figured out how to do it. Can anyone offer some help in this matter as to where the adjustment for height is made. I believe that as little as a 1/16 adjustment in height would prevent the marks on the floor from becoming objectionable. Joe '99D 36T 275 ISB Messages in this topic (4) ________________________________________________________________________ 3a. 12V Plug Fuse Location Posted by: Pat Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:01 pm ((PST)) Hi Again, All -- The 12V (cigarette lighter type) plug at the base of the dash in the front of the rig has gone dead. It's the one colocated with the phone plug and next to the 110 plug, Can anyone tell me where the fuse is for this plug? Thanks for any help. Pat(rick) On the Road in the D 2000 37V Azure Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 3b. Re: 12V Plug Fuse Location Posted by: Larry Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:44 pm ((PST)) Not sure about a 2000. But on a 99 it is in the black box on the right side looking inside the front Hood. Larry 99 34Q Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 3c. Re: 12V Plug Fuse Location Posted by: Barry Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:19 pm ((PST)) hi pat In my 99v the fuse was just behind and just a little above and to the left the lighter . the fuse block is fairly easy seen if you lay down on the floor and look up above the gas pedal...barry bradley...99v Messages in this topic (3) ________________________________________________________________________ 4. Caution Using Open Wireless Net Posted by: Toni Date: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:03 pm ((PST)) While at the Lazy Days SunNFun Rally I helped a few folks with their laptops. One of the big things I saw were laptops that had not been updated to windows SP(service Pack)2 both for professional or the windows edition. There is a sasser worm that is easily picked up on the net if your equipment has not had SP2 applied. It does not take much for a computer to get infected especially on the open wireless nets and other faster network systems when there is another affected machine on the net. If the equipment is affected, basically the equipment needs to be rebuilt, if microsoft directions at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841720 do not work. How to tell if you have SP 2: Right click on your my computer icon and select properties and under the general tab where it says System it should say service pack 2. Updates should be done on a fast net at the web site windowsupdate.microsoft.com Hope this helps Toni 98 36T